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Post by Christiaan Bokk on Feb 6, 2012 14:10:12 GMT 7
Crossbows over guns because of volume and re usable ammo, plus you look badass. Find more survivors and stick together. Weapons!!! Armor or anything that prevents infection, e.g. beekeeper suit or gas mask. Get to the countryside where the zombies are fewer and you also could take over a farm. Food Remove the head or destroy the brain. And remember, "When there's no more room in hell the dead will walk the Earth"
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Post by Duke James on Feb 10, 2012 9:58:29 GMT 7
A few tips on zombie survival:
A: hide under things such as cars and don't make a sound, zombies don't look everywhere the go. B: hide under corpses if there are no other hiding spots, zombies refuse to eat rotting flesh for some reason and the smell of the corpse will cover your scent. C: don't kill any lone zombies with a firearm, the bang from the gun will attract a lot of zombies. D: don't allow any fluid or body parts of a zombie to touch you so use tip B with care. Fluids and body parts from zombies cause illness, even if they only touch your skin E: never stay in one place for too long, the longer you camp in one spot the more chance you'll be attacked.
Good luck James, Duke of Antillica.
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Post by Christiaan Bokk on Mar 1, 2012 16:41:53 GMT 7
would anyone like to do a zombie rpg?
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Post by King Rook on Mar 4, 2012 23:25:31 GMT 7
I have to disagree with the crossbows over rifles sentiment. Crossbows were replaced by firearms for a reason. Crossbows are inferior to firearms in every way. They are slow, less accurate and unwieldy.
Weight: A crossbow bolt can weigh up to an ounce (most areas consider anything less than 420 grains unsuitable for hunting, and anything that’s not going to drop a deer is not going to drop a zombie) which means you can carry about 16 crossbow bolts per pound of weight. In comparison you can carry 35 rounds of .223 Remington / 5.56X45 per pound or about 130 rounds of .22 LR. In a true survival situation, more ammo means you live longer.
Accuracy: Firearms are naturally more accurate, having a flatter trajectory and longer effective ranges. The farther a zombie is when it dies, the safer you are; especially in a swarm when you’re trying to drop zombies as quickly as possible before you’re swamped. Speaking of dropping lots of zombies,
Capacity: A crossbow can carry only a single bolt at a time before needing to be reloaded. Most firearms hold anywhere from 10 to 50 rounds at a time before needing to be reloaded. Every second you waste reloading is a second a zombie isn’t dying, but chewing on your brains.
Rate of fire: The most skillful crossbowman can reload and fire in as little as 20 seconds. With average training a person can take almost a minute. The same average training with a semi-automatic or bolt- action firearm who is taking time to aim a head shot can fire 10 – 12 rounds in the time it takes a crossbowman to reload his crossbow. That’s 10 – 12 dead zombies from a bullet for every crossbowed zombie.
Penetration and damage: When you hunt with a bow and arrow or a crossbow you are trained to aim for the heart or lungs or liver, vital organs that will cause the animal to bleed out. Crossbows are not as effective as bullets at penetrating the thick bone matter than comprises the skull of a human or other animal. It takes special heavy crossbows to create enough force to effectively penetrate the skull. These special crossbows create more disadvantaged by requiring winches that slow down reload times and requires heavier bolts which decrease carrying capacity. Even a .22 bullet is capable of penetrating the skull. Being a more accurate weapon a man can place a .22 bullet through the eye of a zombie more effectively and at a longer range than a crossbowman can put a crossbow bolt in the head region. When a bullet does hit it causes more damage than a crossbow bolt. Hollow point bullets expand and tear through tissue creating large ragged wounds. Other rounds will tumble inside the body, causing carnage through the interior of a chest or skull cavity. Full metal jacket and other types of ammo will create a large exit wound and carry significants amount of tissue away with it. A crossbow bolt does nothing but stick into the body, puncturing vital organs (which zombies don't have except the brain.)
Availability: When scrounging around for ammo when the world ends and the zombies have taken over crossbow bolts are going to be very hard to find. Little known fact, but an arrow or crossbow bolt has to be weighted to the draw strength of the weapon. Heavier bolts won’t aim accurately and lighter ones may break from the force of the string. In comparison, ammo will be easy to find and if you cannot find ammo that fits your weapon, you’re more likely to find a weapon that fits your ammo than you are to find cross bow bolts lying around. Though people think that crossbow bolts may be reusable, projectiles are usually destroyed upon impact with a target harder than a practice target. Even then, when you go to practice archery, you expect to lose 10 - 20% of your ammo from torn fletchings, missing tips or broken shafts. Trying to hit the skull of a zombie with a crossbow bolt will create more harm as well, thus reducing your expected recovery rate to 50% or less. And that's if you kill every zombie and can farm the corpses for ammo. If you're evading a zombie hoarde you'll be leaving lots of bolts behind.
Notes: If you’re worried about sound, .22 LR makes a noise similar to the sound of dropping your phone on the ground and is still lethal, if at shorter ranges.
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Post by Duke James on Mar 5, 2012 10:04:56 GMT 7
A crossbow is, in my mind, only used for exploration of a new area when you don't want to alert anyone. As you said Ailin, a .22 LR is a better weapon but crossbow bolts can be used time and time again therefore meaning that you may run out of bullets but you won't run out of bolts. Also, Crossbows have no recoil, so there is no danger of the crossbow jumping out of your hands when fired.
All in all, I would prefer a crossbow for hit and run jobs such as scavenging or taking out a stray zombie without alerting any others. I would use firearms for protecting your shelter or taking out a lot of zombies quickly.
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Post by King Rook on Mar 5, 2012 22:19:17 GMT 7
but crossbow bolts can be used time and time again therefore meaning that you may run out of bullets but you won't run out of bolts. I do not want to sound insulting, but have you ever done archery or crossbow archery? I've done both, and hunted with both. Bolt and arrows break or get lost. All the freaking time. Which is frustrating, because they are expensive. As I said above, when you're target shooting, against targets that are designed to receive your arrows with minimal damage, you can plan to lose up to 20% of your ammunition. The number of ways to destroy a crossbow bolt are numerous. The fletching (the arrows on the back of the bolt) can be torn off just from the very act of running down the track of the crossbow. They can be torn off by overpenetration of the target. If being loosed in the wilderness tree branches, bark, leaves etc. can catch and destroy fletching. Without fletching, bolts don't fly true and are useless. The tips of your bolts can get stuck in wood and not come back out, seperating from the shaft. Striking a surface that is not perfectly perpendicular to the trajectory of the bolt can cause the tip to break or the shaft to crack or splinter. A cracked shaft is liable to explode if fired again as the energy from the bowstring is transfered to the arrow causing splinters to fly into your eyeballs. If you're hunting zombies, every bolt that doesn't hit the zombie (in any spot) or passes through the zombies flesh is exposed to potential damage and that's if you can find it. Bolts like to hide in bushes, or bury themselves in the ground under the grass where you cannot find them. When hunting with bows or crossbows for every two or three bolts or arrows you loose, you expect to bring one back home with you. Even if you could ensure a 50% retrieval rate for your bolts after engagement with the zombies, for every 1 bolt you carry into the field I can carry 8 rounds of .22 ammo. Even if it takes me 2 shots to take down every zombie to one crossbow bolt, I still maintain a longer ammunition life out of my firearms. Also, Crossbows have no recoil, so there is no danger of the crossbow jumping out of your hands when fired. Again, I say this not in a condescending way, but have you ever actually fired a .22 rifle? Or any rifle for that matter? Very few weapons leap out of your hand when fired. Recoil is not the blow you back down the stairs kind of crazyness that you see on TV or in cartoons. The recoil on a .22 is comparable to heavy weighted hunting crossbows with enough kick to punch through boar hide. Plus, .22 subsonic ammo makes just as much noise as a crossbow. The twang of such a tight bowstring releasing that much energy is not silent and does make noise. Think of piano wire, or any tightly strung wire that you pluck. The harder you pull it, the more noise it makes. Same with the crossbow. The only true silent ranged weapon is a thrown weapon, like an axe or a javelin. All in all, I would prefer a crossbow for hit and run jobs such as scavenging or taking out a stray zombie without alerting any others. I would use firearms for protecting your shelter or taking out a lot of zombies quickly. The way I see it, if you’re in a position where no zombies can hear you, you’re better off utilizing that stealth by getting the hell away from the zombie without engaging it. To kill a zombie you have to break bone or get through the eye into the brain. It’s not like a human sentry that you can sneak behind, put a hand over their mouth and a knife through their larynx. Actually fighting the zombie, in any manner, carries the risk of noise. If you’re not discovered and you want to stay that way, don’t bother attacking the zombie at all.
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Post by Gerald on May 17, 2012 16:45:21 GMT 7
You ruined my childhood...
kidding, i personally prefer a crossbow but im old fashioned.
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Post by Gerald on May 17, 2012 16:48:50 GMT 7
Plus in NZ we have almost no guns , not even the cops have any and we have like 1 army base, but all good hunting and fishing shots have crossbows and the few token shotguns.
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Post by Duke James on May 24, 2012 7:29:14 GMT 7
Hang on, Gerald's from NZ too?
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Post by Duke James on May 24, 2012 7:30:20 GMT 7
But anyway, we have a lot of hunting rifles but they're all loud shotgun type guns.
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